Torah vs. “gospels”, evidence historicity Yeshua; difference Yeshua vs Jesus

Sophiee,
That the “gospels” are anti-Torah is expected, since they are heavily redacted by anti-Torah Christians.
There is a lot of historical evidence for a historical Torah-observant Pharisaic Rabbi called Y’hoshua.
See e.g. the evidence related to Talpiot Tomb (only easily refuted pseudo-argument in media have given some people an impression that it is not Y’hoshuas family tomb): http://www.netzarim.co.il/Museum/Sukkah03/Sukkah03.htm ; and the rest of the Netzarim-website (especially the ‘History Museum’-pages).

It is not about guessing. It is possible to filter out all anti-Torah doctrines to reconstruct what he must have taught, since the evidence demonstrates he was in good standing in the Pharisaic Jewish community; and so was his followers called the Netzarim.

Now there is a mitzwah to restore his image; and not to stand idle while ones brother is murdered (which takes place by Christians; and Jews not able to distinguish between the historical Torah-observant person and the anti-Torah Christian counterfeit image).

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Isaiah 42:1-4, Hebrew vs Greek Matityahu 6:33, tzedakah, righteousness vs ‘Hebrew gospel of Matthew’

It is preferable to use Hebrew terminology for Hebrew words; and to note that all Greek and Hebrew manusscripts of Matityahu contain teachings inconsistent with what the historical Rabbi Y’hoshua taught.

The first century Rabbi Y’hoshua of Nazareth taught this: Request first the Realm and His tzedâq•âh′,and all these things shall be given to you. So don’t worry about tomorrow. Tomorrow will be worrisome enough on its own. One day’s evil is enough. [Netzarim Reconstruction of Hebrew Matityahu 6:33 [more verses available at www.netzarim.co.il ; Beit ha-kneset (left menu), click on the Torah-scroll in the corner]]

If the first century Y’hoshua of Nazareth was the Mashiach – Messiah – of the Hebrew Bible he must have used the Torah-definition of the word tz’daqah – righteousness as it is defined by Torah. This is true since the Mashiach of the Hebrew Bible is prophecied to keep and teach – see Y’shayahu [Isaiah] 42:1-4 and 9:6 in Hebrew according to Hebrew numbering.

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Mashiach, Mikhah ha-Navi 5:1, Jews alienated from Torah

It is statements like, “it is the teaching that counts and matters regardless of the historicity,” that have alienated 98% of Jews from Torah.

Mikhâh ha-Nâvi clearly speaks of the Mâshiakh when he prophesies, “And you, Beit-Lëkhëm Ëphrâtâh, though you are to be junior among the thousands of Yәhudâh, from out of you shall come forth to Me he who shall be the ruler of Yisrâ·eil, and his goings forth are from antiquity, from past eternity.”

“Mikhâh ha-Nâvi wrote ומוצאתיו (u-motzâ·otâv; “and his goings forth” or “issuings forth”) – in the plural!!! – of the Mâshiakh. Thus, the Mâshiakh would go forth shәtei-pә·âmim – two times. Here we have the concept of the Mâshiakh Bën-Yoseiph and the Mâshiakh Bën-Dâwid in one person – “his [singular] goings-forth” [plural]!!!”
Quoted from the Mashiach section of the History Museum at netzarim.co.il
Yirmeyahu Ben David

It’s not physical. Those bones are just the beginning. He’s baaaaack!

[Quote: Eliyahu Konn]

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Torah, Shema Israel, Matityahu 22:29, Yeshua – Mashiach according to Tana”ch

.. this also highlights where the true point of contention lies–in the messiahship of Jesus.”

If the author knows some basic premises of Judaism he may want to rethink “the true point of contention.”

Judaism at it’s foundation is, “Shema Israel, HaSheim Eloheinu, HaSheim Ekhad.” And the Pharisee Yehoshua (not J*esus), you know the Talpiot Tomb Jewish man with bones, said, “you shall love your companion as yourself.” NMH 22:29.

“Shema Israel, HaSheim Eloheinu, HaSheim Ekhad,” is a statement about the “only-ness” of the Creator and Sustainer of the world. He is not a man.

Those same scholars that understand history, and rightly so about the 1st century man who was a Perushi (Anglicized to pharisee), those that understand it was the Romans that executed him with help from their quisling Hellenist Jewish Temple companions including the High Priest, also understand Christianity’s umbilical cord to the Egytpian/Greek/Roman pantheon. That Christianity is a syncretism, of the Z*eus myth with a stolen identity of a Jewish man. The facts of history are that there was a man, a Jewish, Torah observant man, actually having judicial authority as evidenced by his being called Ribi, not rabbi, which is much less authoritative. This man lived and died as all men do. Did I mention his tomb in Talpiot? His identity was ripped from history and placed in the limbo that is Christianity.

So it is not Ribi Yehoshua’s messiahship that is the true point of contention. It is Christianity’s foundation of a man being the One that holds this universe together.

Now today if the following scientific and historical facts are agreed upon:
1. All men die.
2. There is a tomb dated to the proper time.
3. There is an ossuary in that tomb.
4. The above ossuary is inscribed, “Yeshua bar Yoseiph.”

Then Christianity takes it’s rightful place with the rest of the pantheon, completely apart from Torah Judaism and the final question can again be examined.

Was Ribi Yehoshua ben Yoseiph the Mashiach?

For “orthodox” Jews, whatever that means, it is particularly difficult having been taught by both Jews and Christians that the Torah observant man Ribi Yehoshua was the excuse for Christianity and it’s persecution of the Jewish family.

They are also taught that the Mashiach could not have come yet. Yet they cannot agree on how one would recognize him, (little h in him.)

Remember that he must be documented to be of the line of King David, born in Beit Lechem, heal the breaches in Torah, and fight the enemies of HaSheim. The first two qualifications he has fulfilled and others from now on can’t. The last two his talmidim (students) continue to do today. netzarim.co.il

[Quote: Eliyahu Konn ]

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Jeremiah 4:4, Yirmeyahu 4:4, circumcision of heart, brit milah, Israel

Yirmәyâhu 4.4

המלו, and remove the ערלות of your hearts, man of Yәhudâh and inhabitants of Yәrushâlayim…”

Christians point to this passage to substantiate their claim that, since it was necessary to command “the Jews” to circumcise their hearts, the physically circumcised Jews are clearly “uncircumcised in heart” and, therefore (?), the real circumcised in the heart (Christians, of course) have displaced Jews as “the people of G*od.”

One of the most abused logical fallacies is generalization, which is an inductive non sequitur. Generalization takes the form:

  • I’ve known two Jews (often unstated, increasing the deception).
  • Every Jew I’ve known supports abortion and votes Democrat.
  • Therefore, Jews support abortion and vote Democrat.

While it would be correct from this syllogism to conclude that “Some Jews support abortion and vote Democrat, it is a falsification to state that “Jews support abortion and vote Democrat.” These two statements are not equivalent. The first is accurate and the second is false, misleading and deceptive.

There is little indication of what proportion of Israel was uncircumcised in heart other than, at that moment, it was a significant proportion. Certainly, it could not have been all Jews of the time since the admonisher here, Yirmәyâhu, was a Jew himself!!!

That there was still an Israel in Yirmәyâhu‘s day proves that, even at the incident of the Gold Calf-mask, ha-Sheim didn’t forsake Yisrâ·eiland displace them with goyim.

For Christians to define “Jews” as a people who are “uncircumcised in heart” is pure misojudaism. From time to time, newspapers and TV news report a criminal who, in diametric contradiction of all of the physical evidence proving his guilt beyond any doubt, claims that his actions were justified and that his heart was pure – that it was his victims who were unpurified in heart. Few would dispute that such delusional predators are self-contradicting and criminally insane.

Yet, how are Christians different? In direct contradiction of all of the physical evidence – Christians’ willful and deliberate rejection of physical halakhic circumcision and the physical practice of Torâh – these physical “anti-circumciseds” claim that they are “circumcised in heart”!!! Nothing could be more blatantly self-contradicting and hypocritical!!!

Based on [א] generalization built on [ב] a false premise, Christians consider “Pharisee” to be a synonym for “hypocrite.” Yet, the hypocrisy of the apostate (Hellenist) Sadducees and a miniscule element of apostate (Hellenist) “Pharisees” didn’t hold a candle to this self-contradictory Hellenist-Christian hypocrisy. Worse than apostate Jews – who are at least halakhically circumcised physically, Christian hearts are the product of their uncircumcised physical body and practice: Christians are (halakhically) uncircumcised physically and in the heart! Christians have twice as far to go to satisfy Torâh criteria.

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Rabbi Y’hoshua vs Iesous ['Jesus'], Torah -real salvation and heaven vs Christian and ‘Messianic’ pseudo-salvation

Shalom to you all,

I would like to comment about Paul.

First of all, this is what is written in Torah:
As stipulated in Devarim ["Deuteronomy"] 6:4-9,11:13-21 one is required to keep all of the directives of Torâh′ to one’s utmost—viz., “with all one’s heart, psyche and might [lit. "very"]“—”for the purpose of extending your days and the days of your children… like the days of the heavens above the earth” (i.e., eternal life). According to the Tan’’kh -Yekhezeqeil ["Ezekiel"] chapter 18 et.al – the Creator confer His atonement in His loving kindness to those and only those turning away from their Torah-transgressions and (re)turning to non-selectively Torah-observance including mishpat. Everyone has transgressed the Torah and its possible to obtain forgiveness from the Creator in His loving kindness when living in the above way. The Creator has promised this in His Bible – which is in Hebrew – and He doesn’t lie.

Thus, ‘the salvation by faith’-doctrine outlined by Paul – adding his anti-Torah requirement to confess the idol ‘Ieisous’ [Jesus] as Lord’ for ‘salvation’ – contradicts Torah and what the authentic first century historical Mashiakh [
Jewish ‘Messiah’] called Ribi [his title] Y’hoshua taught. Thus, it will not lead to eternal life. It is only an emotional filled experience that doesn’t describe a real encounter with the Creator. I am a former Christian and “Messianic” and understand that after having studied Torah in Hebrew according to etymology.

Thus Paul and is pseudo-’brit hadasah’ are irrelevant, since they contradict Torah.

There is hope for every person, since everyone can turn to Torah and start doing ones utmost to observe the mitzwot of Torah. Doing this the Creator promises to bestow His forgiveness in His loving kindness for ones previous Torah-transgressions – enabling an intimate relationsship with Him.

Anders Branderud

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Rabbi Y’hoshua, Jacob, new covenant, resurrection?, Pharisees, Moses, mitzvot, Yeshua

[The correct title is Ribi. Read more here: Link]
My reply to a person:
שלום יעקוב,

How are you?

I recommend you to do as Yehoshua ben-Nun wrote: “This book of Torah shouldn’t depart from your mouth and you shall meditate on it day and night and night, in order that you should watchguard;  because all that is written in it, because then you will succeed in your ways and then you will act wisely.”

There are contradictions between Torah and NT. See the articles of my blog: http://www.jewishsalvation.com/
I urge you to read through those articles carefully until you understand them!

“(..) an audacious claim, no?”

No, a true claim, that must be spread; since haSheim want people to hear His truth.

“So, my secondary (sarcasm-free) questions to you are these: If all Mashiach did was to come and tell us that the Pharisees were right, and that everyone should keep the Mitzvoth of Moshe Rabbeinu as they did, then what changed with His coming? “

First of all, the Mashiakh was a human. It is proven in this article of my blog: Link
Second of all in order to find out what the role of Mashiakh is, please study www.netzarim.co.il; History Museum; Mashiakh (top menu); study that whole page including the section ‘Mâshiakh of Tana”kh Subverts Tana”kh to be the Mâshiakh?’

Regarding the ‘new covenant’:
See this blog of mine: http://www.britchadashah.com/
And see also the book ‘Atonement in the Biblical covenant’: http://www.schuellerhouse.com/bookcat.htm

The above links and resources will thoroughly answer your questions.

“[P.s.  And if I you don’t mind, could you confirm whether you believe Y'hoshua Hamashiach was resurrected or not? Thanks]”

Ribi Y’hoshua was enlivened, not resurrected. See this article: Link
He died 40 days after that by his wounds.

“which is that the onus is on you to explain why anyone should take your claims seriously.”

Why? The onus of proof is on the person whom don’t know Tana’’kh in Hebrew according to etymology and according to the cantillation constraints; and is endorsing an anti-Torah religion. Some resources if you are interesting in learning Biblical Hebrew: http://www.torah-observant.com/?s=etymology

I recommend you to do as Ribi Yehoshua haMashiakh taught:  ‘Happy are those that hunger and thirst for tzedaqah [righteousness as defined by Torah]’

Feel free to write me more about yourself!

I wish you a great remainder of the week!

שלום, Anders

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Yeshua, True Mashiach vs false Mashiach, true Messiah vs false Messiah, true prophet vs false prophet

I want to comment about this.

[To differentiate,] Do you want to follow the first century Jewish Mashiakh [‘Messiah’] called Y’hoshua? He grew up in Galilee. Did you know that many words that are attributed to him was not said by him – including much of the content in “gospels”, but was redacted by Hellenists: Documentation: Link?

The historical Mashiakh was a Jewish Rabbi and that he was a human, and not a ‘divine saviour’? [Documentation: Link? I would recommend you to read this article so that you can adapt your belief system to be in accordance with the Tana''kh; and in accordance with what the Creator requires in His Torah.

Did you know that he taught people to follow the Instruction manual of the Creator called Torah [‘books of Moses’]? [Documentation: Link]

Following the human Mashiakh called Yehoshua leads oneself into non-selectively Torah-observance to ones utmost, including an immensely meaningful relationship with the Creator.

I wish you all the best and hope that you will adapt and start following the Creator as He has commanded us in His Torah.

Anders Branderud

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Mashiach, Messiah, Moshiach, Torah salvation, forgiveness, atonement, eternal life ??

Hello!

I would like to comment. I hope you found my information helpful!

I would like to compare what Torah teaches about forgiveness vs. Christianity.

[To differentiate,] Did you know that the historical Jewish Mashiakh called Y’hoshua, from Nazareth, was a Torah-observant Jew and so was his followers called the Netzarim?

This is what the Mashiakh – Messiah – must have taught about ‘salvation’ – if he was a legitimate prophet according to D’varim [Deuteronomy] 13:1-6:

As stipulated in Devarim ["Deuteronomy"] 6:4-9,11:13-21 one is required to keep all of the directives of Torâh′ to one’s utmost—viz., “with all one’s heart, psyche and might [lit. "very"]“—”for the purpose of extending your days and the days of your children… like the days of the heavens above the earth” (i.e., eternal life). According to the Tan’’kh -Yekhezeqeil ["Ezekiel"] chapter 18 et.al – the Creator confer His atonement in His loving kindness to those and only those turning away from their Torah-transgressions and (re)turning to non-selectively Torah-observance including mishpat. Everyone has transgressed the Torah and its possible to obtain forgiveness from the Creator in His loving kindness when living in the above way. The Creator has promised this in His Bible – which is in Hebrew – and He doesn’t lie.

Thus, the way of ‘salvation’ in NT contradicts Torah and what the Mashiakh taught. Thus, it will not lead to eternal life. It is only an emotional filled experience that doesn’t describe a real encounter with the Creator. I am a former Christian and understand that after having studied Torah in Hebrew according to etymology.

Doing your utmost to follow the directives of Torah will lead you into an immensly meaningful relationsship with the Creator.

Anders Branderud

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Yeshua, Malachi 3:6, Hebrew Torah, Jewish writers vs. trinity, idols, icons, Jesus, pagan cult, mystics

Hello Carmine!

I am making no man into an icon or an idol.

I pray to the Creator only and no one else. Neither do I believe in the writings of any person without comparing it to Torah in Hebrew, science,logic and well documented facts..

“relationship to God and have never asked God yourself for an answer ”

I rely on Torah which I study in Hebrew and know based on the Torah of the Unchanging Creator (Malachi 3:6) that doing ones utmost to observe the Torah is a preqrequisite to relate to the Creator and receive His expiation in His loving kindness. Torah includes observing the most ancient and well documented mishpat (i.e. logical oral Torah) – which Torah commands us to observe (Deuteronomy 17:8-13 et.al). I also listen to the voice of the Creator.

Who are you to judge a person whom you don’t know based on no evidence at all?

Trinity – as you titled your blog comment – was never taught by Ribi Y’hoshua and his followers: Proof on this blog of mine

I recommend you to read this article on another blog of mine: Link

Have a nice day!

Shalom, Anders

Carmine wrote:

If you go to sources, and one Jewish source and another and another

and ask questions, doesn’t it ever strike you that you have no
relationship to God and have never asked God yourself for an answer ?
Going to one cult after another, to see this point of view and that,
it is like going to pagan shrines to ask the msytics, who have
themselves been breathing in the fumes. What does your own heart tell
you of a report directly from God’s Mind to you , or is it possible
you have never seen God or heard from God. So , judging that God is
God, then there is something wrong with you if you turn these Jewish
Writers into Icons, or IDOLS you worship

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